John BAIN

John BAIN

Male 1857 - 1946  (88 years)

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  • Name John BAIN 
    Born 18 Oct 1857  Albion Street, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Certified Copy of Birth Cert. obtained No BXBZ 260791 for Registration Dist. of Ashton under Lyne in Sub District of Hartshead, County of Lancaster
    Gender Male 
    Census From 1861 to 1901  Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Cause of Death Seacroft Emergency Hosp, [St. Jame's] Leeds East Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Broncho pneumonia, Senility and arterio sclerosis 
    Emigration 18 Jul 1907  Liverpool, arrived Port of Quebec on Empress of Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Occupation Cotton Mixer/Blowing Room Hand in Cotton Mill/Cotton Grinder 
    • According to the 1901 census, John was working as a "Blowing Hole" worker. At the time he was living at 12 Winter Street, Hurst. An old map of Hurst Brook at that time, shows that "Hurst Mount Mill" was just across the road from Winter Street and it is more than likely that John worked in this mill.

      Hurst Mount Mill was situated at Hurst Brook, between Mount Pleasant Street and Holden Street (formerly Water Street).

      John Chapman built this mill in 1902 and nine years later it contained 7,200 mule spindles, but shortly afterwards it was roughly doubled in size. Steam power was probably employed from the start, water from the engine boilers being obtained from Hurst Brook, but the 24 h.p. steam engine in use in 1834 is unlikely to have been the original.

      John Chapman went into partnership with his brother, Samuel, who assumed full control after John’s death about 1819 and who remained in occupation until 1834 when he was succeeded by his nephew, William, John’s youngest son.

      After William’s death in the 1840’s ownership finally passed out of the Chapman family and the mill was purchased by Paul Cowper who let out the lower and upper floors separately and Hurst Mount Mill thus became one of the few cotton mills at Ashton to have more than one occupier at one time.

      Hurst Mount Mill was seriously damaged by fire about 1850 and apparently re-built to much the same plan as the original after which it was of five stories plus an attic and the main spinning block measured thirty-eight yards by thirteen yards. Under the ownership of Paul Cowper the two parts of Hurst Mount Mill had various tenants including John Beaumont and Co, Luke Cook, Taylor Cowper and Co, Pickstone and Mayall and Thomas Stead in the 1850’s, Tipping and Thomas and Paul Cowper himself in the 1860’s and 1870’s.

      In 1883 William Tipping bought the mill and remained in exclusive occupation of the whole until it closed about the time of the First World War.

      The firm became a limited company, William Tipping Ltd, in 1898 and had about 20,000 mule spindles producing medium-fine counts of yarn.

      The mill is no longer there and has been demolished.
    Buried 1946  Ashford Cemetery, Ashford, Middx Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Died 8 Aug 1946  Seacroft Emergency Hosp, [St. Jame's] Leeds East Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Age: 88y 
    Cause: Broncho pneumonia, Senility and arterio sclerosis 
    • Death certificate states John was moved from Staines County Hospital, Middlesex [renamed Ashford County Hospital in June 1945]. His surname on the certificate is registered as "Baine"
      The informant of his death was an R. Clarkson, of 82 Cross Gates Ave., Leeds, who requested on the death certificate that John's body was to be buried. We do not know what relationship R.Clarkson was to John Bain.
    Person ID I5  Genealogy
    Last Modified 9 Feb 2017 

    Father Matthew BAIN OR BEHAN,   b. Abt 1827, Newbridge, Kildare, Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 14 Jan 1892, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Mother Alice LEES,   b. Jul 1829, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. From Jan 1884 to Mar 1884, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 54 years) 
    Married 20 Aug 1855  The Catholic Chapel, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancs & Chester Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Copy of Marriage Certificate Reads
      The Catholic Chapel, Ashton under Lyne in county of Lancaster & Chester
      20 Aug 1855 Matthew Bean, age 25, Bachelor, Cotton Card Grinder of Newton Street, Ashton under Lyne, Father John Bean, Deceased,Farmer
      and
      Alice Lees age 26, Spinster, Power Loom Cotton Weaver of Betine Street, Ashton under Lyne, Father John Lees, Engine Tenter
      Signed Matthew Bean and the mark of Alice Lees
      Witnesses Patrick Egan and mark of Ellen Belch.
    Family ID F7  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Elizabeth ATHERTON,   b. 7 May 1856, Presbyterian Fold, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 19 Jul 1906, 12 Winter St., Hurst, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 50 years) 
    Married 7 Sep 1884  Parish Church, Christ Church, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Cert No = (Vol.8d pg 642)
      Marriage Witnesses = Matthew Bain and Ellen Atherton
      Also recorded in Cheshire BMD
    Children 4 children 
    Last Modified 26 Aug 2012 
    Family ID F6  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 18 Oct 1857 - Albion Street, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - From 1861 to 1901 - Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCause of Death - Broncho pneumonia, Senility and arterio sclerosis - - Seacroft Emergency Hosp, [St. Jame's] Leeds East Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 7 Sep 1884 - Parish Church, Christ Church, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - Age: 88y - 8 Aug 1946 - Seacroft Emergency Hosp, [St. Jame's] Leeds East Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
    Sarah Alice Bain (aka Alice)
1884-1996
    Sarah Alice Bain (aka Alice) 1884-1996
    Alice Daughter of John Bain & Elizabeth Atherton and
    wife of Edward Fennell
    Photo of either the first Annie Bain born 1893
of the second child Annie Bain born 1899
    Photo of either the first Annie Bain born 1893 of the second child Annie Bain born 1899
    Both were the daughter of John Bain and his wife Elizabeth Atherton.
    John Bain
1857-1946
    John Bain 1857-1946
    Son of Matthew Bain or Behan and Alice Lees
    Elizabeth Atherton
1856-1906
    Elizabeth Atherton 1856-1906
    Wife of John Bain and daughter of Samuel Atherton and Sarah Greenough
    Christ Parish Church, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
    Christ Parish Church, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
    Marriage place of John Bain and Elizabeth Ellen Atherton
    7 Sep 1884
    Andrew Bain 1887-1970
    Andrew Bain 1887-1970
    Andrew son of John Bain and husband of Ada, Ella, Lena James

  • Notes 
    • Extract from the book
      "RECOLLECTIONS OF HURST & HURST BROOK FROM 1832"
      by Aaron Miller

      Parts of this book describe the living conditions in 1832 of Hurst, including that of Water Lane & Winter Street where John Bain and his family lived in 1901. John was probably working in Hurst Mount Mill at that time. John's youngest child Annie was born in Water Street and died in Winter Street at just 3 years old!
      (The Boer War took place in 1899 the year Annie was born and finished in 1902, the year Annie died)

      The sanitary conditions of Hurst Brook was simply deplorable. I am almost afraid describe it, it was so bad. Although at that time it was much larger than Hurst Cross, it was in a very dirty and insanitary condition, as there was no local authority in existence to govern the hamlet, the Local Board or District Council not having been formed, and people built houses as they liked, without any consideration for proper drainage, consequently there were accumulations of all kinds of filth, and cesspools in various parts of the hamlet.

      Only one road was paved, and that with small cobble stones, and just wide enough to allow two carts to pass each other, namely Back-lane, now called Union-road, it being the main road through Hurst Brook, Hurst Cross, and Hazlehurst to Mossley. All the other streets were unpaved, and not one street in Hurst was drained only by channels on each side of the street, or soughs, which the owners of the property made to convey the suds and dirty water from their own property on to some one else's.

      The land from Water-street to Whitworth-street, and from Union-road to Hillgate-street was all waste land and divided into three portions. The first portion extended from Water-street to Oldham-street. It was a disused brickyard, and very much lower than it is now, as it has been filled up at least two yards.

      I mention the waste land here to show how the sewage was disposed of. The owners of the property higher up made soughs to the top end of the Middle Green, and emptied their sewage there. Then one side of Winter-street and Back Winter-street was the same, consequently about a third of the Green was a huge cesspit, and no provision was made for taking it any farther.

      Water-street and Hillgate-street were one mass of sludge, owing to those streets being the main thoroughfare for carts to pass on. The other streets were bad, but these were the worst I ever saw. Carts were constantly up to the axle in the ruts and sludge. It was almost impossible to get across Water-street in wet weather without having the shoe-tops covered. There was great demand for patterns in those days. Girls of five or six years of age wore them.

      It is hoped that conditions improved in this area by the time John Bain and his family moved there!


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